Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part XII: The Chain

In the previous episode, Cindy Paulson was describing her “sexual relations” with Robert Hansen. She revealed that her captor wanted her to say “nasty things.” That their forced liaison was brief — Robert Hansen was a three-minute man who reached orgasm quickly — but the aftermath lasted five hours, while Hansen slept and Cindy was chained to a post in a vain attempt to keep her docile.

But Cindy’s haunting recollections were interrupted by a phone call. When they went back on tape, Cindy had to remind Flothe of what they’d been discussing. Soon, they were on to other things.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson


FLOTHE: Time now is 9:06 pm. Had a phone call and used the restroom and we’re back on tape. (Pause) What were we talking about?

CINDY: We were talking about what this dude had did. And (inaudible) the house.

FLOTHE: OK. (Pause). Can you describe the chain to me? The chain that was around your neck?

CINDY: It was a big ol’ chain. The kind you use to tow cars with.

FLOTHE: How heavy was it? I mean…

CINDY: Real heavy.

FLOTHE: A heavy chain?

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: Was it… What kind of condition was it in?

CINDY: Really good condition.

FLOTHE: What color was it?

CINDY: Silver.

FLOTHE: Did it look like it had been used outside?

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: How long was it?

CINDY: Well from my neck to the thing in the floor on the wall, it was probably maybe two and a half feet.

FLOTHE: Um hmm.

[Tape goes silent, then resumes.]

Robert Hansen, hunter
Robert Hansen, the hunter, December 1969 (Anchorage Times)

FLOTHE: What did he do when he woke up?

CINDY: He came over to me. And sat down and just stared at me. And I started crying and told him all I want to do is go home to my mom.

FLOTHE: To your mom?

CINDY: Yeah.

FLOTHE: What did he say to that?

CINDY: He just said, well, ‘Don’t worry about it.’ You know, ‘Everything is going to be OK. I’m not gonna hurt you.’ And then he actually told me about the other girls.

FLOTHE: What did he say about the other girls?

CINDY: That there were seven… that he had seven other girls there before. You see, when he said that, I knew he had killed them. What girl is gonna go and do this? You know, would let this man do this to them? Well, I knew he killed them. He said that he had seven other girls and that usually he keeps them about a week.

FLOTHE: How long was he gonna keep you?

CINDY: He said that… Well, he didn’t say. He told me that since he liked me so good he would take me to his cabin and make love to me one time. And then, we would be back, so I would be back by around 11 o’clock in the afternoon (sic). And you know, I said, ‘OK, fine, that’s good.’ And I acted like I wanted to go.

Chain: I knew he killed them

FLOTHE: What if you would have acted differently? What would have happened?

CINDY: I don’t think he would have took me.

FLOTHE: What would have he done?

CINDY: Probably would have killed me in the house. Nobody would have known. It was downstairs… quiet.


As Robert Hansen’s flight map shows, the killing fields were actually in The Bush, north and south of Anchorage. The fact that he had a wife and kids at home proved to be the one (not always effective) restraint on Bob Hansen’s murderous rampage. The following image shows one of Hansen’s kill sites, north of Anchorage, in a gravel pit near the old Knik River bridge.

Chain: Robert Hansen murder site near Knik River
Hansen Murder Site near the Knik River Bridge (courtesy Alaska State Troopers)

Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part XI: 3 Minutes

In the end, you could call Robert Hansen the “3 minute” man. That’s how long it took for him to orgasm. And then he wanted to sleep. His sleep lasted much longer than the sex.

Of course, this wasn’t really about sex. It was about the power to humiliate his victims and some kind of sick pay-back for all the alleged “hurt” he’d experienced as a young man. Ironic, considering that he was the cause of unmitigated hurt wherever he went — starting with his parents in Iowa; extending outward to his wives and children; and finally encompassing tens of young women across Alaska.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

FLOTHE: So then he goes to sleep. Where did he go to sleep?

CINDY: On the pinkish-red couch. The red couch.

3 Minute Couch
The Red Couch (circled; courtesy Alaska State Troopers)

FLOTHE: And that’s at the foot of this carpet you have drawn here?

CINDY: Yeah. By the pool table side.

FLOTHE: OK, put ‘sleeping’ next to this couch so we know, that that’s… (pause while Cindy writes) OK. Did he take all of his clothes off? Or did he leave any of his clothes on, during all this time?

CINDY: When he was sleeping?

FLOTHE: Um hmm.

CINDY: He had his clothes on. Except (inaudible) He had a t-shirt on. He had his pants on. I believe it was a white t-shirt.

FLOTHE: When he had sexual relations with you on the rug, did he have his clothes on?

CINDY: Yep. No, he had his clothes off.

FLOTHE: All of his clothes?

CINDY: Yep.

FLOTHE: Is there anything about his body, with no clothes on, that you might remember? A detail or anything unusual that you might remember?

NOTE: Flothe was aware that an early Hansen victim named Robyn Patterson had said Hansen’s penis was “shaped funny, like it was deformed or something. It was short, but very large around.” He was hoping Cindy shared a similar memory of Hansen’s anatomy.

CINDY: The little wart things he had on his face. And there was (inaudible). He probably does, I just don’t remember.

FLOTHE: Did he say anything to you or talk to you when he was having sexual relations with you?

CINDY: Nasty things.

FLOTHE: What kind of nasty things?

3 Minutes of Nasty Things

CINDY: Like he said for me to tell him ‘how much I wanted it‘.

FLOTHE: Did you?

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: Did that make him upset?

CINDY: No, ‘cause I was crying.

FLOTHE: You were crying?

CINDY: (crying) I just kept laying there.

FLOTHE: Did he get upset at any time when he was having sexual relations with you?

CINDY: No. Just ‘cause he came too fast.

FLOTHE: Did he say anything about that?

CINDY: It made him mad.

FLOTHE: How did he say that?

CINDY: He said that he don’t do it very often. Just to say how it made him mad when he comes so fast.

FLOTHE: How long did he take?

CINDY: About maybe 3 minutes. Five minutes.

FLOTHE: Did he just have vaginal intercourse?

CINDY: Yes.

FLOTHE: Did he have anal intercourse with you?

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: OK. Did he put his penis in your mouth at any time?

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: Or ask you to?

CINDY: Nope. The only time we did was in the car and there was a rubber on it… a condom… (phone rings)

FLOTHE: My phone is ringing. We’ll take a break at 9:02 pm.

Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part X: Whipping Post

Robert Hansen took elaborate precautions to prevent Cindy Paulson from escaping. Like many a man before him, his body wanted sleep to follow the sex act. Hansen’s drowsiness had more complex origins, though: because he was bipolar, he often went days without sleep. He had to sleep. But doing so risked setting Cindy Paulson free to roam the streets with a terrible tale to tell. His solution? Chain her to a post.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

FLOTHE: How did he tie you to the pole?

CINDY: ‘Cause there was little prongs sticking out of the wall that you could screw in. You know like when you hang a plant through the ceiling? It had one of them things and screwed it in.

FLOTHE: To the post?

CINDY: Yep. They [Anchorage Police] said they went there and they couldn’t see it but I don’t think they looked, ‘cause it was there.

FLOTHE: It was like a thing you hang plants from…

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: Um hmm.

CINDY: Like one of those things you screw in the wall.

FLOTHE: Was that on the post or on the wall?

CINDY: It was on the post…

FLOTHE: Oh, on the post.

CINDY: Right up here (points to diagram). And then there was a bullet hole straight down, almost on the bottom. You couldn’t see it if you weren’t laying there.

FLOTHE: OK. How low to the floor was the bullet hole?

CINDY: About two inches.

FLOTHE: OK. And how low to the floor was this…

CINDY: More than halfway up the post.

FLOTHE: How many feet would you say that was?

CINDY: About four feet, five feet.

FLOTHE: What color was that?

CINDY: Silver.

FLOTHE: Silver color?

CINDY: Yep.

FLOTHE: How did he chain you up? Describe it the best you can.

CINDY: He wrapped the chains… OK, I was handcuffed…

FLOTHE: Um hmm.

CINDY: …And as he was taking the rope off, he put the chains on me. Wrapped the chains over here, four times… (points to coffee table diagram)

FLOTHE Um hmm.

CINDY: … And tied it in a way so if I would move, it would choke me.

FLOTHE: So the chain goes around your neck. And then where did the chain go from there?

CINDY: To the wall.

FLOTHE: You say wall but there’s a post here…

CINDY: To the post. Yeah, to the post.

Whipping Post
Couch, Post and Pool Table, Hansen’s Den (courtesy Alaska State Troopers; illustration, Leland E. Hale)

FLOTHE: OK. Did it go up to that hook or around the post?

CINDY: Up to the hook.

FLOTHE: OK.

CINDY: And it was padlocked on the hook.

FLOTHE: Oh, it was on padlocked on the hook.

CINDY: Yep.

FLOTHE: What did the padlock look like?

CINDY: Like a Masterlock. Regular padlock.

FLOTHE: What color was it?

CINDY: Silver.

FLOTHE: OK. How were you handcuffed? In the front or the back?

CINDY: In the front.

FLOTHE: OK. And did he tie your feet?

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: So what you had then was a chain around your neck…

CINDY: Yep.

FLOTHE: …up to the post at the hook and padlocked. And you’re handcuffed in front.

CINDY: Yep.

FLOTHE: Did you have your clothes on at that time?

CINDY: Nope.

FLOTHE: Where were your clothes at that time?

CINDY: Sitting in the chair.

FLOTHE: Sitting in the chair. OK. What happened then?

CINDY: And then I stayed there for five hours (sobs).

FLOTHE: Did he leave the lights on?

CINDY: The one bathroom light was on.

FLOTHE: What did he do?

CINDY: Slept on his couch.

FLOTHE: Did he say anything to you after he chained you up?

CINDY: That he was tired ‘cause he hadn’t slept in so long. And don’t wake him up, ‘cause he’ll be mad.

FLOTHE: When he was having sexual relations with you over here on the rug, prior to being chained to the post, what did he do with the gun?

CINDY: Sitting on the coffee table.

FLOTHE: And that’s the coffee table over here by the rug?

CINDY: Yep. Right over by the stuffed fish.

FLOTHE: OK. By the stuffed fish on the coffee table or on the wall?

CINDY: There was one laying on the coffee table. There was stuffed things everywhere.

FLOTHE: OK.

Notes on Hansen Photos: Police Chief Marvin Wiseman

In an August 2, 2017 post, we revealed never-before-published photos of Robert Hansen. The following is a transcription of a letter from former Pohahontas, Iowa, Police Chief Marvin Wiseman, which accompanied two “vintage” photos from Pocahontas resident Ralph Hudek. Chief Wiseman knew Robert Hansen all too well.

3-20-91
Mt. Pleasant, Ia

Dear Leland Hale

Here are the pictures you requested. The picture of Bob Hansen in the group is in the top row on the right. The Junior Police Corps was active in the late 50’s and early 60’s in Pocahontas, Iowa. Boys aged 12 -18 were eligible. Bob Hansen was one of the instructors for a couple of years with the group.

Marvin was with the Pocahontas Police Department at that time as Police Chief. The picture of Marvin in uniform was taken in the summer of 62 in front of city hall on main street.

Sincerely & Good Luck
Mr. & Mrs. Marvin C. Wiseman

Robert Hansen, Junior Police Corps, Iowa
Junior Police Corps, Pocahontas, Iowa; Marvin Wiseman, at left (courtesy Ralph Hudek)

Chief Marvin Wiseman, Pocahontas, IA, Summer 1962
Pocahontas Police Chief, Marvin Wiseman, Summer, 1962 (courtesy Ralph Hudek)

Worth noting is the fact that it was Wiseman who promoted Bob Hansen to the position of Junior Police Corps instructor — and Wiseman who eased him out of that position when a troubled Hansen returned to Pocahontas after a stint in the U.S. Army.

Hansen was so troubled that soon thereafter he committed arson at a Pocahontas school bus barn. A polygraph operator who interviewed Hansen in conjunction with that crime felt compelled to warn the police chief about their chief suspect: “Man, you better watch it,” he told Wiseman. “You’ve been living in danger. That kid was planning on blowing up your house.

When he returned from the Army, Bob became the ringleader of a younger group of kids. They didn’t have much use for the “Poky” Police Department. They were a bunch of rural smart-asses, full of mischief and capable of almost anything.

In the months before the arson fire… Bob and his friends were suspected of blowing up a tractor in the town of Rolfe, just north of Pocahontas. They were apparently practicing for an attempt on the Pocahontas water tower, and had used a single stick of dynamite in their practice run. Only a fire in a bus barn intervened to thwart the attempt on the water tower.

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Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part IX: Blue Pumps

Kidnapped: The Cindy Paulson Story [Installment One]

In this installment, we take up where we left off, with Hansen demanding that Cindy disrobe — at gunpoint. It was, of course, a prelude to what Hansen really wanted.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

FLOTHE: You took your shirt off…

CINDY: Yes, he said to. I did. Shit, with a gun in your face, you would too.

FLOTHE: He had the gun in his hand when he told you to?

CINDY: Oh, yeah.

FLOTHE: Then he took the rest of the clothes off?

CINDY: Uh huh. He told me to leave my panties and bra (inaudible). My pants when they were halfway on, he took them off. My shoes were blue pumps (inaudible).

FLOTHE: Blue pump shoes?

Pumps (shoes) from gravesite
Shoes Found in One of Hansen’s Gravesites (Anchorage Times)

CINDY: Yeah. (inaudible) I left them in the car and they [the police] couldn’t find ‘em.

FLOTHE: So when he had you tied up with this rope… describe the rope that was around…

CINDY: It was a white linen.

FLOTHE: Was it a new or old rope?

CINDY: New, I think.

FLOTHE: A new rope?

CINDY: Um hmm.

FLOTHE: How thick was it?

CINDY: It was about as big as my finger… my index finger.

White Linen Rope
Linen Rope (example)

FLOTHE: Where did he get the rope from? Where did that come from?

CINDY: Downstairs.

FLOTHE: Remember where?

CINDY: Not exactly, no. He just brought it out.

FLOTHE: Did he have to leave your sight when he went and got it?

CINDY: No. The only time he left my sight was when he had me chained.

FLOTHE: Where did he get the chains from? I don’t remember…

CINDY: I was in the bathroom and I heard them rattle. Then I came out…

FLOTHE: Oh, you were in the bathroom.

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: Let me get this sequence right, now. You come into the house. You take off your shirt. He takes off the rest of your clothes. And then he ties you up?

CINDY: Yes ‘cause that’s how he wanted to have sex with me.

FLOTHE: Did he, at that point?

CINDY: (soft voice) Yes, he did.

FLOTHE: When does the bear rug come in?

CINDY: He had, um… I believe… The bear rug was there. It wasn’t laying in the middle like that, it was near the couch.

FLOTHE: Were you on the bear rug when he had sexual relations with you?

CINDY: Yes, um hmm.

FLOTHE: And this is the same time you’re tied with your neck to the coffee table?

CINDY: Yes, that’s when he had tied me up. And it was tight. So if I moved too far it would choke me.

FLOTHE: When did you go to the bathroom in relation to all this?

CINDY: After he had sexual activities with me.

FLOTHE: Ok. And then you went to the bathroom?

CINDY: …And he had followed behind me with a rope. I went in the bathroom and I used the restroom. And I heard… And I got, ‘what’s that’, and I started to come out and I heard chains rattling. And he said, ‘go back in,’ and I came out anyway. And that’s where he came to the part where he chained me up to the pillar.

FLOTHE: You got two posts drawn here… Which pillar?

CINDY: Two posts.

FLOTHE: Which pillar?

CINDY: The second one.

FLOTHE: Put the one where he tied you up… Put ‘tied up’ next to it.

Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part VIII: The Coffee Table

Kidnapped: The Cindy Paulson Story [Installment One]

Cindy Paulson’s narrative is driven by her need to tell Glenn Flothe everything about her kidnapping by Robert Hansen. Sometimes, Flothe has to deliberately slow her pace. He wants to capture every last detail, down to the coffee table in Hansen’s den.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

FLOTHE: OK. Now, let’s back up a little bit… You come into the garage, now tell me what happens next. When you come into the garage…

CINDY: He takes me out of the car and takes me to the house.

FLOTHE: You were still handcuffed?

CINDY: Yeah, I was handcuffed the whole time.

FLOTHE: Did you go downstairs?

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: And what happened when you went downstairs?

CINDY: He sat down on the… I sat down on the chair next to the coffee table, whatever you call it. He pulled the bear skin rug around… And all the time he kept telling me ‘Don’t worry, I’m not going to hurt you if you cooperate.’ And he kept one handcuff on me while I was (inaudible). And then for a minute, after he had had sex with me on the bear skin rug, he left my hand handcuffed and my neck tied and then connected a rope around my feet. But that didn’t work. It came untied.

FLOTHE: Somehow we jumped from coming down stairs to being on a bear rug. What happened in between? I mean…

CINDY: He just…

FLOTHE: Did he chain you up at that point, or…

CINDY: No.

FLOTHE: He didn’t…

CINDY: He just tied me up to the coffee table, that’s here, and the TV’s in the center (points to diagram).

FLOTHE: He tied you up to the coffee table… How did he do that?

Gun Coffee Table Undressed

CINDY: Tied a rope around my neck and the coffee table… the coffee table on the top… and then it has a… compartments underneath where you can store stuff… tied me around with a rope.

FLOTHE: Was your head closed in, or…

CINDY: Nope. My hands…

FLOTHE: What’s this big square in front of the coffee table?

CINDY: That’s the rug.

FLOTHE: Oh. Write that on there somewhere. That’s the bear rug?

CINDY: Nope. The bear rug isn’t… This is just a regular rug.

FLOTHE: What color’s that rug?

CINDY: I believe it’s red and pink.

FLOTHE: OK, so he tied your…

CINDY: Head right in here (points to diagram). And my head was here and the rope here… and this chair was flipped over here… And I always had my handcuff there and I was laying this way…

FLOTHE: Why don’t you draw yourself… You know, draw a stick figure showing how you were… You know, head along here…

[pause]

CINDY: (sobs and sniffles) Sorry…

FLOTHE: That’s all right… So, your right arm was tied to…

CINDY: I was handcuffed…

FLOTHE: Handcuffed to…

CINDY: To the chair…

FLOTHE: The chair…

CINDY: And my head was… tied a rope around my neck…

FLOTHE: OK.

CINDY: …and tied to the coffee table…

Coffee Table
Hansen’s Den w/ Coffee Table (courtesy Alaska State Trooper; illustration, Leland E. Hale)

FLOTHE: And your right arm…

CINDY: My arm was straight.

FLOTHE: And your leg?

CINDY: My legs were free.

FLOTHE: OK. Did he… How did your clothes get off?

CINDY: He took ‘em off.

FLOTHE: All of ‘em?

CINDY: Except for my… Except for my shirt… I took it off.

FLOTHE: You took your shirt off…

CINDY: Yes, he said to. I did. Shit, with a gun in your face, you would too.

FLOTHE: He had the gun in his hand when he told you to?

CINDY: Oh, yeah.

Robert Hansen: Never Before Published Photos

Kidnapped: The Cindy Paulson Story [Installment One]

When Butcher, Baker was published as a print-book, the photographic collection ran up against the limitations of the medium. Because photos are printed separately and then bound to the middle of the book, they must be printed in four-page sets (two pages of photos on the front side, two on the back). That means the photographic spreads are always laid out in multipes of four: four page spreads, eight pages spreads, 12 pages, etc. — but never five pages, seven pages or 11 pages. To do otherwise means a blank page (or two or three). That’s not an efficient use of resources, so publishers don’t do it.

Butcher, Baker got an eight-page photo spread. Each photo was the best of its kind.

But there were always many more photos. Some of them made it into the Ebook version, but by no means all of them. Here I’m sharing, for the first time, some of the Robert Hansen photos that didn’t make in into either version.

In the Junior Police Corps set, it is worth noting that one of Hansen’s early ambitions was to go into law enforcement. His 1961 arrest for arson in a building pretty much destroyed that dream forever (it also ended his first marriage). The photo of Hansen, handcuffed in a jailhouse line after his murder arrest, is a stark reminder of where he ultimately ended up.

Photos: Robert Hansen police cadet
Robert Hansen, Junior Police Corps, Pocahontas, Iowa (courtesy Ralph Hudek)

"Photos:
Robert Hansen, Junior Police Corps, closeup (courtesy Ralph Hudek)

Photos: Robert Hansen hides his face from reporters
Robest Hansen Hides Face From Reporters After His October 1984 Murder Arrest (copyright Anchorage Times)

NOTE: The original photograph of Hansen hiding his face from news photographers did not disguise the other faces. I added a blur effect in Photoshop to protect their privacy. The young man handcuffed to Robert Hansen, by the way, has a huge smile on his face. He seems amused by the sideshow in which he’s suddenly found himself.

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Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part VII: The Bathroom

When Cindy Paulson asked to use the bathroom at Robert Hansen’s house, it served to highlight her dilemma. Before letting her use the bathroom, Hansen insisted on tying a rope around her neck. When she tried to escape through the bathoom window, she found it nailed shut. Outside the door, she heard the rattling of chains; Hansen was about to trade one restraint for another. Still, Cindy kept her head about her, retaining her tampon in place, rather than throwing it away.

Purchase Butcher, Baker

Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

The Bathroom: Cindy Paulson’s September 27 Interview

FLOTHE: How do you get into the bathroom?

CINDY: The door opens to the bar and the clothes are here and then the bathroom is right here and you go in. And then as you come out, there’s a foosball table here and a big pillow right there.

Foosball Table near bathroom
The Foosball Table near Bathroom (courtesy Alaska State Troopers)

CINDY: (Cont.) And that’s where I was laying by the couch at the frame of the pool table. (voice cracks)

FLOTHE: Describe the bathroom as best you can. Everything you can remember being in the bathroom.

CINDY: OK, the toilet was right here (points to diagram). To my right is the sink and a cabinet. To my left is a window that’s nailed (shut)… It’s closed completely. And then right in front of me is a shower that’s pink and black. The floor of the shower was black and the cabinet was white on the inside, it was black on the outside.

FLOTHE: You mention a window. Why did you notice the window?

CINDY: ‘Cause I was gonna climb out.

Bathroom Window, Robert Hansen's house
Bathroom Window (copyright Leland E. Hale)

FLOTHE: You were going to climb out.

CINDY: Hell yeah.

FLOTHE: Why couldn’t you climb out the window?

CINDY: ‘Cause I knew it wouldn’t open.

FLOTHE: Did you try it?

CINDY: Yeah.

FLOTHE: Did he stand there and watch you while you were…

CINDY: No. When I had went to the bathroom he had walked behind me with a rope around my neck. And then he left. And when I got done then I started walking out and I heard chains rattling and he said ‘go back in’ and I didn’t, I just came out anyway.

FLOTHE: Do you remember any toiletry type articles being in the bathroom? You know how people have things in the bathroom…

CINDY: There was nothing.

FLOTHE: Shaving stuff…

CINDY: No, there was nothing like that.

FLOTHE: Did it have a shower or a bathtub or what?

CINDY: Shower.

FLOTHE: Shower. Was it like a…

CINDY: A small shower.

FLOTHE: Small shower. Was it built into the wall or how was it…

CINDY: It was sticking out.

FLOTHE: Sticking out. Did you throw anything away in the bathroom at all?

CINDY: No. I kept my tampon in me.

FLOTHE: Did you put a new one in at all?

CINDY: No, I didn’t have any and I didn’t want to… (inaudible). ‘Cause I knew if I got out of there, he was getting caught. ‘Cause I needed evidence, and that was my fucking evidence. (in a soft voice) That was my evidence.

FLOTHE: What was?

CINDY: The tampon.

FLOTHE: Why did you think that would be evidence?

CINDY: From what I did, I knew that the tampon would keep stuff from going inside of me, but it would hold it in there. And it did a little bit. It showed just a little bit under the black light. A little bit.

FLOTHE: This is at the hospital?

CINDY: Um hmm.

FLOTHE: OK.


On October 11, 1983, Sgt. Flothe sent the Cindy Paulson evidence to the FBI. This included her clothing, as well as the rape exam kit containing head hair, cut pubic hair, combings of her pubic hair, vaginal fluid stains and her tampon. The FBI received the evidence on October 18th. By December 14, 1983, the FBI was able to determine that Robert Hansen was the likely source of the semen found on Cindy Paulson’s underwear.

NOTES: Because of its chemical composition, semen will fluoresce when put under an ultraviolet “black light.” Hence the reason for Cindy’s black light test at the hospital — they were looking for signs of semen. Although sophisticated DNA analysis was not available at the time, FBI pathologists could (and did) run a series of tests on Cindy’s evidence, including ABO (blood typing) tests.

More Info:

Kidnapped: The Cindy Paulson Story [Installment One]

Kidnapped: Glenn Flothe’s Victim Map & Matrix

AST Sgt. Glenn Flothe
Sgt. Glenn Flothe

When Cindy Paulson said she feared for her life, her assessment was grounded in the sense that Robert Hansen had killed before. He implied as much, telling Cindy there had been “other girls” that he’d kidnapped and taken to his cabin. Her fears were not unfounded. But the scope of Hansen’s murderous career was well beyond what anyone imagined at the time of Cindy Paulson’s interview.

Sgt. Glenn Flothe’s detailed victim matrix (below) reveals 24 marks, each of them representing a possible Hansen victim. As with everything associated with Glenn Flothe, the matrix is meticulous — it includes the case number; the Gravesite Number (corresponding to Hansen’s flight map); the order and date on which the body was found (if it was found); the location of the gravesite and the victim’s name. Those are details that border on numbing, but they shouldn’t be.

Troopers ultimately used Flothe’s matrix to keep Hansen “honest,” threatening to charge him with additional murders if he didn’t help them identify and locate each and every victim. Hansen came up a little “short” on that one, apparently preferring not to admit to the murder of women he didn’t consider “prostitutes.” The criminal justice system settled for the seventeen to which he confessed. The true number is closer to 30.

NOTE: On both the matrix and the map, a BLUE highlight indicates a victim that Hansen admitted killing; a YELLOW highlight indicates a victim that Hansen denied killing.

Sgt. Glenn Flothe’s Victim Matrix (Click for Larger Image – 10MB)
Victim Matrix

The victim matrix exists in support of Glenn Flothe’s annotated version of Robert Hansen’s flight map (below). This map was quickly determined to show locations where Hansen had killed and then buried the young women he’d kidnapped and taken into the bush. Finding this map provided the initial “shock” of the investigation, utlimately proving that the scope and reach of Robert Hansen’s crimes was the biggest in Alaska history.

Sgt. Glenn Flothe’s Annotated Flight Map (Click for Larger Image – 14MB)
Victim Map

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Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part VI: Down the Steps

On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen’s ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. Three months later, Cindy agreed to a detailed interview with Sgt. Glenn Flothe, the Alaska State Trooper in charge of the homicide investigation. This interview helped pave the way for Hansen’s indictment in the murders.

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Cindy Paulson
Cindy Paulson

FLOTHE: Now, on Page 2 you drew a diagram here and there’s here what is steps. Would you mark those steps so that somebody else will know what they are? (phone dial tone). And this is the garage part here?

CINDY: Um hmm.

FLOTHE: Mark that. OK, write garage there. OK.

CINDY: When you walk from the garage, you walk up the steps and go to the right and they’ll take you into the house. And to the right, as soon you walk in the door, is a closet. And then to the left there’s some stairs going down and there’s a big moose with buffalo heads in it and then you go down some more stairs and it leads you into the downstairs. To the basement, what he called his den.

FLOTHE: OK. Did you go into that closet at all, Cindy?

CINDY: No.
The kitchen at Hansen's house
Kitchen at Robert Hansen’s House (copyright Leland E. Hale; the kitchen is at the rear of the house, beyond the living room – dining room; Cindy spent no time in the common living areas of the home)

FLOTHE: OK. For the purposes of the tape, Investigator Casper was on the phone there, so we know who he was. (to Casper: ‘That’s all right.’) And you say there’s a moose head…

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: Right here. OK. That’s to the left.

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: And then past that you go down some more stairs and then you go down?

CINDY: Yes. Yes.

(sound of door closing)

FLOTHE: OK. That’s Page 2 and that shows going from the garage, up the steps, make a right (sic), then to the left there’s a moose head, closet, then you go down some steps… Is that like a basement or?

CINDY: It’s probably his den.

Down the steps to a den with foosball table and sewing machine
Robert Hansen’s Den (courtesy, Alaska State Troopers; note the foosball table and the sewing machine)

FLOTHE: His den. Is there any windows or anything?

CINDY: Yes. And they’re closed and barred.

FLOTHE: Barred? What do you mean?

CINDY: Barred like the wire they have at the police station. Like, I really didn’t see ‘em close, ‘cause I was chained to the floor. But it looked like they had like little bullet proof wires in ‘em.

FLOTHE: Hmm. OK. Bullet proof glass? Were there curtains on the windows?

CINDY: Uh huh, black curtains.

FLOTHE: How could you see the windows with the curtains on them?

CINDY: Because they kept flapping about three inches and I was staring at them.

FLOTHE: What color were the curtains?

CINDY: Black or a dark brown.

FLOTHE: Now, this describes the downstairs. Where do you come in the downstairs from the dining room?

CINDY: Right here.

FLOTHE: OK. Put ‘Entry’ there. Entry – as you enter, where is the front of the house with the street side, do you know?

CINDY: To… the… right.

FLOTHE: Will the street side be on which side of the page here?

CINDY: The right. At the bottom.

FLOTHE: The bottom. OK. Put the ‘Street’ down here. OK. Now, as you come in, think back and describe as you come in, what’s…

CINDY: As you come in, you look to the right, there’s a chair, and all the way around the area where there’s furniture are stuffed animals.

Trooper photos Hansen's den
Photos of Hansen’s Den with Furniture and Stuffed Animals (courtesy Alaska State Troopers)

CINDY: (Continued) And to the left there’s a window and like a washer and dryer and [inaudible]. And then there’s some clothes on the back and then there’s a bathroom. And a foosball table, a pool table and then there’s another window on the street side.

FLOTHE: OK. What’s this over here, this square thing?

CINDY: A bar and the washer.

FLOTHE: You mean like a bar like where you have…

CINDY: Uh huh.

FLOTHE: … booze and stuff?

CINDY: Uh huh, like a little wet bar.

FLOTHE: Oh.

CINDY: Where things are stacked.

FLOTHE: And these lines over here…

CINDY: They’re clothes.

FLOTHE: OK.

CINDY: And then there’s a bathroom on the other side of the clothes. (inaudible). The bathroom is pink and black.

Kidnapped: The Cindy Paulson Story [Installment One]